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Cool. So, how much power does the thing output in full fun? And kWh/day would be nice, too.
Still at $105 it's a pretty good deal...
Saw a "review" at:
http://ambigrid-review.blogspot.com
Heck yes!!! Sign me up!
I read some stuff from Steve Harris at Knowledge Publications. He suggests contacting highway contracting companies ... they operate those solar powered highway info signs and they get hit by drunk drivers and get beat up a lot. They end up having panels lying around that insurance has paid for and they might give them away.
Also for building solar hot water heaters... if you need some good plate glass, contracting companies might have some lying around from damaged doors received in shipping. If you're buiding a box for hot water, it doesn't matter if it has scratch.
vsk
Anthony said:
"So, how much power does the thing output in full sun?"
It's in the article. 18.5 volts and 3.05 amps. That's 56.42 Watts. Multiply by about 8 (I don't know how many hours of sunshine Arizona gets in a day, so I'm certain this is an underestimate, but at the same time some of that day will result in less than optimum conditions as the sun moves across the sky) and you get 451 Wh/day, or 0.451 Kwh.
Since an observatory doesn't use a lot of power (a laptop, the telescope, and a couple of very low powered red lights, if any at all) and amateur observatories don't see a lot of use (weekends... maybe) this is probably at least several times as much power as he needs (although there's charging/discharging inefficiencies that he mentions, there's also the fact that it's weekends only). It won't, however, power your home. In fact, that won't even power my entertainment center or my desktop computer for more than a couple of hours.
I would try that with a swimming pool surround which works equally well as anything in general so if you got one of those rolls of plastic be careful using a circular saw cutting it cause they chip and pieces can fly into the face and chest or the arms and hurt as much as a weed eater slinging rocks against a leg which is exposed cause your wearing short pants.
Needs way more articles like this.
You can repair broken panels
http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/JF/JF_OTHER/SMALL/Solar%20panel%20testing%20and%20repail...By%20Donald%20Koehler.PDF
(sorry, haven't quite figured out tinyurl)
Or broken panel covers
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2003/8/5/121012...>
Goodle can be handy for these things
Enjoy!
A great project! I'll try to do it.
Erik -
<p>www.instructables.com - Way more articles like this!
Come over to the Treehugger Forums and check out the Supplemental Solar thread where a few of us are doing similar projects and help others who want to do the same.
Where in the article does it say 3.05 A? I doubt that 3"x6" panel would produce that much current.. a couple of hundred miliamperes will be the most.
"Where in the article does it say 3.05 A? I doubt that 3"x6" panel would produce that much current.. a couple of hundred miliamperes will be the most."
isn't 3 amps at 18.8 volts only 56 watts? That sounds about right, no?
Does anyone have the link for the Treehugger forum mentioned in this post:
"Come over to the Treehugger Forums and check out the Supplemental Solar thread where a few of us are doing similar projects and help others who want to do the same".
When you measure solar panel output you measure *no* load voltage, then you measure *short circuit* current... the 3amp figure given is short-circuit, i.e. connect the ammeter directly to the panel (be sure you're on a range than can handle it!). It won't put out half a kilowatt, I can guarantee you that... but it *will* charge a motorcycle battery, especially if not drained for a week.
For the Treehugger link, look at the adspace to the right.
Don't charge a 12V battery at 18V. You will run it dry.
You're best to charge them at 13.6-14.4v, then have a maintenance charge around 13.6 or lower once the battery is 'topped up'. The load of the battery when empty will pull the voltage lower, as you don't have enough amps to raise it enough. You can still overcharge and damage the battery once it reaches capacity.
Yes, running 18V is a better idea if there is distance between your solar cells and your batteries, but make sure you install some sort of voltage regulator within close range of the batteries to be sure.
The guts out of a dead 'automatic' battery charger are a great idea if you're handy.
Great project, but if you can't handle it, you can find $3.00/watt solar panels here: http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/solar_panels.htm :)
How much power would this put out if you reflected sunlight onto the panel by surrounding it with several mirrors?
This is all very well and good....BUT....I have never seen anything like 36 @ 3 amp cells for $75 on E Bay. That is a hell of a bargain, but not available as far as I can see. That would be about $1 a watt and the best I have found is about $4 a watt and I can buy NEW for that price.
Apparently yay-hoo's like us drive up the price. :)
Has anyone found a great video for this kind of DIY solar panel? Might be interesting to try, but I'd like to actually see it being made first.
Let me know if you know of some good videos.
THhanks!
Jonathan
Well, you might be OK with this design for a couple of seasons in Arizona, but using masonite and wood for a PV panel backing is asking for trouble in any climate with any significant moisture. PV panels are subject to extreme changes of temperature in their daily cycles. This type of solar cell is very brittle and delicate. The slightest warping can crack the cells, and the plexi for that matter. If one cell goes down, the whole panel goes down. Also if moisture can get inside the panel, it can short out. This may be a cheap way to go in the short term, but in the long run it's cheaper to invest more up front and build a substrate that will protect your cells and produce electricity for many many years.
http://www.goodideacreative.com/solar_panel.html
Nice to see someone take the initiative and build a solar panel on their own - it's not impossible to do.
Two issues though. 1) durability. As constructed this unit wouldn't last very long. I guess no more than a year or two. If the mosture, rain, snow - doesn't get it, then twisting in the wind will. Plus the plexiglass will cloud up.
2) You can't say this unit cost $105... you have to add in the cost of every item, even if you happen to have it sitting around. Not including the price of the plexiglass, paint, screws, etc. is the same as lying. With this logic, I could purchase ALL the parts one day and then "start" the project the following day with all the parts "on hand". Total cost = $0.00 FREE.
Add up the total cost and the lifespan of homemade vs 30+ years for manufactured and it's not a good return on your money, even with no dollar value assigned to your time/labor.
Mike also built a wind turbine from scratch. The parts are cheap and it works. Keep up the good work Mike.
great idea. just goes to show solar power doesn't have to cost a fortune
Thanks. I'll try one day.
I think I will earn some money with your article.
Ok I build two panels using this design. First off the cells themself cost 300.00 off ebay in 2008. The wood and paint cost about 60.00 the plexiglass was 100.00. So true cost for 2 panels was abit over 460.00 I have them charging 4 deep cycle batterys thru a charge controller. Running my sprinkler system. thur a 1500 watt inverter. Worked great all summer. For the winter I moved the panels inside and have not had a problem with them. They are mounted to the board with silicone so the board can flex all it wants too. I too worried about breaking the cells as they are really brittle. Had a breakage rate of about 6 per bundle I bought. Any way just wanted to let you know that it worked out ok for my test. Guess we will see if they can stand the test of time. I get about 20 volts in strong sun and I did get the 3 + amps short circuit they talked about. Guess that makes them 60 watt panels.
you didn't mention how to do the wiring at all, may be you did a bit but that for an electric regular guy. How all solars wiring to become one simple plug? you didnt' show that. Isn't there any tutorial for a beginner like me? thanks though it was inspiring at least.
Thank you for the walk through. It's great to see how it's done and also great to see broken solar cells being recycled.
Well done, really nice construction.. I hope the wood won't have a problem with humidity..but I believe you know what you are doing
Since these need to point twords the sun, does it make sense to use a black backing to gather heat energy as well?
Mabye use a plumbed liquid heat dispersion system, and be able to fill hoses with the warm water to cut your water heating...
Anyone played around with using different types of glass or focusing the panel position for best performance?
Hi
I have looked at this project but I see a problem
the solar cells need to be protected against
the enviroment moisture and corrosion will destroy
them a peg board is not a good Idea I think
that one needs a better backing with Tedlar film
and seal the cells from moisture.
Arie
If you want to learn more about how to build your own solar panel, I highly recommend Earth4Energy's course: click here to check it out.
There are step by step instructions with clear illustrations to build solar panels and even wind power generators. The author did a great job of making this very easy to follow. You should definitely check it out if you want to save money on your electricity bill: click here to learn more
I didn't know you could make cheap do-it-yourself solar panels! Cool!
What about using a Fresnel lens?
I am seriously thinking of doing this in Montana to heat my whole dome house I am building.
Will a Fresnel lens focus MORE light, therefore more Heat?
I B a dummy at all of this, so any help will be appreciated.
Thanks ..... great site, BTW.
Typically, you can alleviate some of the moisture problem by drilling a small "exhaust" hole near the bottom of the unit, on the back. Prop it up slightly (the unit) so its not flat against the roof, or material is is installed on.
This is a great article, thought I would throw a caution: when buying solar cells on ebay, always check the voltage/current out. Some will be DOA. Also, keep in mind when connecting together in series to always connect similar current producers together. The reason for this is if you connect a 100ma cell to a 50ma one, the most you'll ever get out of the 100ma cell is 50ma. This is because when connected in series (to multiply the voltage) the "bus" will always default to the lowest current.
Harbor Freight sells a 45-watt system for $199.
Go to harborfreight.com.
For the engineers among you: An off-grid air conditioner: burns a little propane. Buy four second-hand propane refrigerators. Remove the cooling coils and mechanisms, retube them and mount the coils in ductwork. Rig several 12 V fans to move air over the coils- attached to a marine battery bank, charged by a solar panel. Voila- when the sun is at its hottest, your AC works the best. Add a windmill for night time use. You could even use a windmill to direct-drive the cooling fans with belts. We rigged one of these up on a catamaran in Key West- it worked real well. Note: I was not the tech who did this- he was a yacht charter guy who knew how to repair the gas refrigerators and ac units on boats anyway. You could find an RV or boat tech to help you figure it out.
Ok, speaking from experience; one or two of these panels is not enough to power a whole home.
You can add multiple solar panels and a larger battery bank/inverter and expand your system to meet your need. You don't need any experience! There are many different ways to learn how to build a solar panel. They include websites, ebooks and manuals that can show you how to create a simple solar energy system. However, for ordinary people without experience, nothing compares to seeing the process step-by-step. Find a comprehensive set of diagrams or video to ensure you're taking the right steps.
DIY Solar and Wind Power for under $40
The problem is that most places only sell panels not cells. If you are just a little bit handy, you can do the soldering yourself, and save a huge percent on your solar energy source. The one place that I found selling cells is here:
http://www.siliconsolar.com
@Michael - Thanks for taking the time to post this detailed article. I would like to try something similar to this because the broken panels would be more cost-effective. But I wonder how long this will remain affordable as electric prices go up? (here in Pennsylvania, they're about to go up in 2010 when the state's electricity rate caps expire)
@Dave Ebert - If you're looking for step-by-step guides, here are some reviews of some of the solar power guides that are out there now. A bunch of them even include videos too:
http://www.reviewsuncensored.info
I think that the one called "Green DIY Energy" looks the best, even though their website maybe looks a little less hyped-up than the other solar power guides out there. Their videos look the best.
Good Luck!
Jon
That's pretty cool but... it cost you $104 for a 54 watt panel. You can buy solar panels for $2 a watt and the construction is going to be a lot nicer. It might be worth it if you could build them for about 50 cents a watt.
Learning how to build your own solar can cerntanly save you thousands in the cost. Do it You Self Solar Power Plans can be found here
Thanks for such great information!
I think I'm going to build a wind turbine after my solar panel project and see what generates more power...
http://www.mysolarprojects.com/home-solar-syste...