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Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Marshal Massengale — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:19:55 -0000

So, if these so-called "smart cars" are so smart, why are they so hideously ugly? Even the Prius is butt ugly. Rear seat passengers in this last bang their heads against a foolishly sloped ceiling.

Why can't the designers put cutting edge technology into normal looking vehicles? Not everyone out there is a Greenpeace member or a Hollywood celebrity out to make a statement.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Frank Johnston — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:45:27 -0000

Hello:

The new Smart is a gasoline fueled car with 2/3ds the mpg of the diesel version. I find the absence of the diesel version option a curious marketing decision as the VW diesels do as well as a gas engine powered Smart.

BTW I get 72mpg in my CDI 42 and have friends who routinely achieve 96mpg.

yours

Frank Johnston

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Garrett — Wed, 28 May 2008 15:21:57 -0000

Dear god, if you're all so savvy on the mileage of your VW diesels, why don't you realize that's less than the Smart diesel, and what the story involves is a gasoline.

Learn some math, get over yourselves, read the stats again.. better yet: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/...

and keep it down, we heard you, and you're both wrong and arrogant.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Machoman — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:10:51 -0000

The smart 2008 is the coolest looking car in canada period.

Anyone who beleive that the car is ugly has no taste in car design. All car look alike. I don't see any difference between an altima, A saturn, a lexxus from.. All berline cars look the same.. they are boring.

the smart fortwo is the only car right now that makes you differient, unique on the road.

I have a Harley davidson Softail, and Honda Element.

I will soon get a Smart 2008 just to cruise around town. Smart fortwo are also chick magnet.

Even a camaro or a mustang are not as beauty as the Smart 2008.. I agree that it looks weird the first time you see this on the road, but if you want to be unique, thats the car you have to get.

Can't wait for the hotwheels replica.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

David — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:49:27 -0000

well......

lots of VW Philistines here.

Smart cars are under the same laws of physics as all other cars

arerodynamics- Smart cars are not. its design is tall and actually has a large passenger compartment. good for an excellent view with the ability to put an obese american or two into one comfortably. the width is not much narrower than most cars on the road today. the rear is flat to make it short for parking size. not good atributes for cutting smoothly threw the air. the faster a smart goes the much more inefficient it is. the honda insight and its high mpg is a wind tunnel product. the smart is designed for purposes other than optimum fuel effiency such as limmited space, city, short trips....

if a person was to drive at 55mph and excelerate slowly and decelerate slowly. 55-60 mpg would be fairly easy. Americans in gerneral dont know how to drive efficently. the road is in general a place to peacock, talk on the phone, drink and disrespect others because of feelings of some sort of mental or physical inadequacy they cant accept in their life. like an adult high school.

the cost of a smart is starting at $11500 US. there are just about as many parts in a smart car as most other cars except a rear seat and one cylinder. a ford gt was a $100,000 two seater that couldnt get 15mph. was it a dissapointment? no. it was perfect for what it was designed to do.

the smart is a safe car in a single or relatively same size car accident. the excessive 2500 lb plus so called passenger vehicles are dangerous to the responsible sized real commuter cars on the street.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

joe — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:57:20 -0000

obvously 43 mpg is terrible. especially for a car half the size of a prius. if it's so much smaller than the prius, why can't it even get the same mpg? what the hell is wrong with our education system that you are that easily fooled???

why are you so proud of yourself? you just wish you were european. and i hate to break it to you, but europeans hate smart cars. that's why smart car has lost $4 billion since it started in europe. only american tourists are lame enough to drive around smart cars.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Croupier — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:39:26 -0000

Cars are for P-U-S-S-E-Y-S. I get 52 mpg on my 1958 Honda 250c, with a modified distributor. Plus, it was one of the original bikes used in the Nagisa Oshima's 1960 film Cruel Story of Youth. Ride a bike... P-U-S-S-E-Y.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Robb — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:04:37 -0000

Either they had a helluva headwind crossing the prairies or somebody has their figures mixed up.

I just recently read an article about a west coast family who bought a Smart Car and were getting mileage of 4.4l/100km which is 53 mpg - and that's in town.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Lois Ann Zendarski — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:53:27 -0000

My Scion XB gets 36 mpg loaded with 5 adults....

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Happy Poppet — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:50:15 -0000

One thing that most posters have not taken into account is price. I live in Australia. I'm single, with an income just under A$40,000 per annum. The Smart starts here at $19,900 plus taxes/etc. The diesel VW Golf, which gets slightly better mpg (around 20 km/ltr overall versus the Smart's around 17 km/ltr overall) but has higher NOx emissions, starts at A$23,000. The Prius starts at A$37,400. I would absolutely love to get a Prius, but you can see why for a single person on a perfectly adequate but not extravagant income, I may have to choose between the Smart and the Golf. Can anyone give me any ideas how I balance mpg versus NOx emissions when making my choice? And can anyone suggest any other makes/models that I should be looking at in the A$20,000 price range? Many thanks!

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:27:55 -0000

AFAIK average fuel efficiency for American produced cars peaked in 1984 @ 26mpg & has been steadily declining ever since. I think it's around the 24mpg these days.

The Myth That Won't Die.

The sales-weighted fuel economy estimate for new light vehicles in the US was 25.4 mpg in 2006. That figure peaked at 26.2 mpg in 1987.

What this persistent myth fails to mention (lie by omission) is that this relative stagnancy in the new vehicle average is driven mostly by the massive shift from automobiles to light trucks. Automobile fuel economy now stands at 29.9 mpg, and the only year which surpassed that was 2005 (30.3 mpg). The average for 2006 is 2.9 mpg better than in 1987 -- an 11% improvement. Nothing to cheer about, but certainly not a decline.

The other part of the problem with the overall numbers is that a lot of the downward pressure has come from lower fuel economy from imported vehicles - both automobiles and light trucks. In 1981, the average imported autmobile was getting 7.3 mpg better than its domestic counterpart, but as imports have broadened their vehicle selection (primarily from Japanese makers), this has had the effect of pulling the average down. They've also shifted a substantial amount of production to domestic factories and often for higher fuel economy vehicles like the Civic.

Also, one needs to distinguish new vehicle fuel economy estimates from real-world, total fleet averages. For the latter, automobiles reached 22.4 mpg in 2004 and light trucks hit 16.2 mpg. Those are 28% and 13% improvements over the numbers in 1985, respectively.

Vehicles are also much safer, larger, comfortable, have far lower emissions, and much better performance and quality than vehicles from 20 or so years ago. Also adjusted for inflation, they're probably more affordable than comparable vehicles from that time period -- especially when factoring in changes in personal income.

That's a much different picture than that myth tries to convey.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

bruce — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:41:03 -0000

Bravo Olivia and John!!Ur car is getting a impressive 43mpg as the same as mine modified of course.I purchased a 2006 Scion XA last Jan.that the sticker said ,"38 mpg".I soon learned that it was a farse and actually got somewhere between the mid-30's and high 20's at most .I agree with ur point on American cars not getting anywhere in the mid thirties as far as Mpg .Bravo,on ur new purchase of the SMART car and again bravo on ur milestone !Maybe,companies elsewhere will take heed?

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

david — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:35:31 -0000

I hate all the BS surrounding MPG on production cars. AFAIK average fuel efficiency for American produced cars peaked in 1984 @ 26mpg & has been steadily declining ever since. I think it's around the 24mpg these days.

To tout a car that small as being in some way efficient when it has that mpg is very sloppy journalism by any standards...

For comparison & to see how much the auto companies are taking the piss, why not check the Shell Eco-Marathon, here's a quote from - http://news.com.com/2100-11... - that should clear up once and for all how badly we are being screwed.

"An ethanol-powered vehicle engineered by students from the Lycee La Joliverie took top honors at the Shell Eco-marathon, a contest to build a car that can drive as far as possible using the least amount of energy.

The vehicle averaged an astounding 2,885 kilometers per liter, or approximately 6,786 miles per gallon, according to an announcement released Sunday by race officials.

While the car did not break last year's record of 9,023 mpg, it was significant in that it was an ethanol-powered vehicle. Hydrogen-powered vehicles, which were predicted to win early on in the race, became runners-up."

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

David — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:35:13 -0000

Shame on Treehugger for furthering this article! Sorry to be a bummer, but 43 mpg is horrible for a car such as this. The arguments that this is "good for a modern car" are unsupportable.

First is the consideration of vehicle capacity. In high school we used to drive around in a 4-seat diesel Rabbit that got 45-55 mpg. That's 200 mpg per person. My Rabbit gas-engine got 33-38 mpg, still 140 mpg per person fully loaded. The Smart car in this article is only a 2-seater, gets lower raw mpg than the Rabbit Diesel, and only 86 mpg per person when fully loaded. The Prius has the same problem as a 2-seater.

Second is the argument that modern vehicles suffer lower mileage because they must be heavier due to required crash protection and emissions controls. This is also bogus. Yes, my old Rabbit had less 'gear', but the steel used in the panels was much heavier (thicker), and there were no plastic or composite parts as in modern cars. The 1979 Rabbit weighed about 1900 lbs. The Smart Car reports in at 1750 lbs (790 kg). What's the problem?

One argument is that modern emissions controls degrade performance. Without considering that lower fuel economy has a direct correlation to total emissions per mile driven, emissions controls do not degrade mileage performance, and in many cases increase mileage. In many studies (ie. EPA 420-R-98-013), VEECDs installed on older vehicles increased mileage performance.

To be honest, I don't understand what the problem is with the Smart Car. Most modern cars have poor mileage because they are grossly overpowered and little R&D has gone into fuel economy for the last 25 years.

Bottom line is, this car and article are misleading and give people the impression that they can be proud to get 43 mpg in a 2-seater. Not a good thing to promote. Let's see something we can really strive for!

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Go Veggie — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:12:24 -0000

Here's one for you! Georgia to Colorodo to Oregon to Vancouver to Calgary to Banff to Jasper to Dawson Creek and the AlCan Hwy to Anchorage to Denali to Hines for the Ferry to Washington to Oregon to Colorado and back to Georgia. 10,000 miles, 30 gallons of diesel! and lots of used veggie oil. All for less than $300 in fuel costs and road taxes on the grease. Recycling at it's finest, and carbon neutral! And in a 1984 Mercedes wagon, so no new materials needed for a new car!

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Luc Plouffe — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:36:14 -0000

337 L / 6158 km is 5.5/100km is realy 43 MPG US and 52 MPG imperial.

so let's say it's crappy MPG for such a small car on the highway

yes my overpowered 1999 TDI gave me 5.5L / 100km @ 80mph on the highway while still have 200hp on standby to unleash the furry of 360 lb.ft of torque. (yes it is tweaked for power)

the TDI is a diesel car as is the Smart in Canada. so the Emissions must be the same from the 2 cars using the same amount of fuel.

as a comparison, following the highway limits, my 2006 Toyota Tacoma PICK-UP is able to do 7.2L/100km (33MPG US ).

this article is crap. (as are the hybrids on the highway)

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

nichelle — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:28:15 -0000

Will everyone please stop griping and talking about how they get more mpg with their diesel engine and their old pollution crazy gasoline engine cars that usually take two the space of the Smart.

How long is it going to take before people realize that a higher mpg doesn't automatically equate to having a green car? Yes you can say that you absolutely NEED a car with a backseat but how many of you actually use that backseat on a daily basis? This is a commuter car built to be used the way most people use their cars, not as a family/friend road trip vehicle.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Brad — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:37:14 -0000

Yeah, all American's must be wasting gas according to the writer of this article. This is an insult. I myself drive a 4 cylinder 2001 Ford ZX2 that has either 130 or 140hp, is a 2 door with a fair bit of space and looks much nicer than the Smart Car and also cost less when new. In addition, it has an automatic transmission, cd changer, and AC. And get this, driving at about 80mph I can get 33 mpg with 3 people in the car and a loaded trunk. And the smart car only holds 2 people and costs more. I think they should call it the Stupid Car because there are a lot of nice coupes and sedans with 4 cylinders that can top the rated mileage of the smart car with more space and power. For example, a 2007 Ford Fusion which is a mid sized 4 door car has no problem getting 34 mpg on the highway and can hold 5 and has a huge trunk.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Brad — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:27:10 -0000

42 mpg... Who cares? I have a friend with a VW that does in the 50s and you don't see him in an article, plus he can carry more than two people and a bag a fruit for the journey. Post something when you see a person cross the continent in an available production vehicle @ 70 mpg.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:17:15 -0000

by the way check your math, almost all of the post comment on the 43 mpg without checking if this was correct, it actually is 69.19 mpg i love all of the smart comments that are completely wrong

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Gert — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:05:27 -0000

To geekpdx:

While you make some brilliant points, I disagree with your opinion on Daimler Chrysler not producing clean cars. Daimler Chrysler, while they own Dodge, Jeep, Smart and Mercedes and until recently Chrysler, they do not pour their German technology into Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge. Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler are still American cars built with American technology. They benefit from the groups finances, but not their technology. As far as Mercedes goes, the Mercedes Benz E-Class won the overall Green car of the year award this year, so Mercedes are doing well in terms of producing clean cars and technology for cleaner emissions. So my point is that the German side of the Daimler group is doing well in terms of green.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

FredExcursion — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:52:25 -0000

I don't get the excitement. 9 days? Must have hurt to drive that thing for too long. And only 43mpg (5.47l/100km)? My 2001 VW Golf TDI gets 45mpg, seats 5, stores more cargo, goes faster, and handles better.

And last summer we averaged 12 mpg (20l/100km) in our awesome Ford Excursion (that's right, the biggest of the big) from Vancouver to PEI & back. We had 2 adults and 5 kids, plus a 28ft. travel trailer, and on top of that used no energy resources from restaurants and motels along the way. And thanks to the comfort of the Excursion, we did the trip back in 6 days (did I mention the 5 kids?) Yeeeeeha!

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

David Maw — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:04:18 -0000

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/...

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:49:29 -0000

Big deal - I have a 2000 VW Golf Diesel - according to my current gas mileage - around 48 - 50 at 70 to 75 mph on the highway.

Right, just ignore tailpipe emissions. Human lungs are just garbage dumps.

And funny how every diesel fanatic always claims higher mileage than EPA estimates and real-world averages.

Better yet - if there was a reliable source I could do it all on veggie oil, no petrol at all!

Key word there is "could". Do you? 100% of the time? In fact, what percentage of diesels use veggie oil? Right. We know the answer.

Re: Halifax to Vancouver in a Smart Car

Eric — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:07:02 -0000

Big deal - I have a 2000 VW Golf Diesel - according to my current gas mileage - around 48 - 50 at 70 to 75 mph on the highway. Plus it's a four door - fully loaded car with some real horse power. No fear on the highway, no mini car.

I've hauled four adults - plus at least a weeks worth of clothes, and misc. stuff for keeping everyone entertained.

Better yet - if there was a reliable source I could do it all on veggie oil, no petrol at all! How about some real news?